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Jerome V's avatar

Feb 7: New insights at this video timestamp: https://tllc.com/go/C9mZZ4fRtsRrj

Feb 17: I watched the NTSB briefing last night. Apparently it was done on the 14th. The story is already being memory-holed. The spokeswoman said a few things of value:

1. There was a Cockpit voice Recorder in the Blackhawk, and it evidently worked.

2. The flight was an annual check (certification?) for both her piloting and piloting with night vision goggles.

3. The Flight Data Recorder does not store altimeter readings as seen by the crew.

4. At point, the (female) pilot tells ATC that they are at 300 feet, while the pilot instructor tells ATC they are at 400 feet.

5. They have a lot of "radio altimeter" data points that they consider reliable. One shows the Blackhawk at 276 feet immediately before the collision.

6. The CVR contained no evidence that any of the helicopter crew saw the impending collision.

7. Key seconds of the ATC transmission to the BH were "stepped on" by the BH crew "keying their mike". The part where ATC said the jet was maneuvering to approach the alternate runway (?)

8. The jet's traffic alert system alarm did go off, and the jet increased flaps and went to 6 degrees nose up during the final seconds.

Phil Davis's avatar

The fact that her online history was scrubbed is evidence alone that something is very wrong. That history should be revealed, and a complete investigation should be conducted by unbiased investigators.

Loreth Mills's avatar

And a family’s “request for privacy” is moot when the person in question is a public asset. Join the military, belong to the taxpayer. Names are withheld until next of kin are notified— or not even that long if the media gets hold of it. After that, it’s public interest.

John R. Grout's avatar

If you are a lesbian, you have the right to special treatment. That’s what she and hers say… just like that WNBA player who brought illegal drugs into Russia.

Lynn's avatar

Unbiased investigators? Is it possible to find any?

RK's avatar

If you want to see who the unbiased investigators are, watch who crows the loudest at the possibility of being exposed (like USAID).

Lynn's avatar

OK...I'll be listening :-)

Gigi's avatar

I agree totally. If the new Trump administration erased her on-line social media musings, then Hete Hegseth is no better than the rest. We need radical transparency.

FillyGee's avatar

You featherbrain. It was the Army that erased her on line information. The Army set out to eliminate her.

Jerome V's avatar

I imagine this is a possibility. You sound very confident that this is in fact the case. What makes you confident?

FillyGee's avatar

I went down the rabbit hole. Are you aware of Ralph Baric and Chapel Hill?

Jerome V's avatar

Yes, I am. Interesting that Lobach and her father out of the same institution, and her father in particular has drawn his money from entities that I imagine the DOGE money-following crawlers will notice. It would be great to have an accurate map the parasite.

FillyGee's avatar

The mother is also implicated. I read that these two doctors/professors over at Duke University knew the most about GOF and Wuhan way before the start of the plandemic. I also read those vaccines were developed and on the shelf for years just waiting for the chance to be used. The Lobach daughter, the pilot, was working in the WH on some sort of internship that allowed her to hobnob and help lead the LGBTQ movement. She was an avid supporter. Some reader suggested she was trans. There’s a whole story waiting to be unearthed. It wasn’t an accident. The Black Hawk can be operated remotely.

Donna's avatar

Here's how you blame this on white men, since you asked: The white men who went along with all the woke joke crap from its inception allowed this to happen. (/s)

One video of this crash showed the helicopter flying straight into the plane, not trying to avoid it, which seems to me like either the pilot was executing a murder-suicide, or the copter was hacked and flown into the plane akin to the ship that ran into the bridge awhile back.

Aside from that... if this actually was a case of incompetence, then this pilot (I heard she was the co-pilot somewhere... if that's true then where was the pilot in all this?) was not incompetent because she was female. Nor because she was LGBTQ. She was simply not competent to fly. There are many incompetent straight white males around too, so don't make it sound like she shouldn't have been flying because she was female or queer. She shouldn't have been flying because she was not competent, period. She may have gotten her position because of DEI policies, which is wrong and (obviously) dangerous. But there are competent women pilots. She just apparently was not one of them.

Women do not need to be "elevated" to "male roles." If hiring was done purely based on merit, then gender, race and all the rest would not even be mentioned. Only how well an applicant could do the job. And sure, some jobs would have more men in them than women, but that should not be used to exclude women automatically from those career paths or label females inferior.

I succeeded in two typically male-dominated fields. The one that required frequent use of brute strength I only performed at an average level in, needing to work smarter since I did not have the men's physical strength. The other I excelled at, since it required intelligence, logical thinking, attention to detail and good mechanical reasoning skills rather than brute strength. The heavy lifting was all done by machine. I graduated top of the class of all males but me. I passed employment testing with flying colors and produced good quality and quantity work, earning the respect of men in management as well as production. Of course there were always one or two men who resented me being there and cracked jokes meant to insult, or sabotaged my work on rare occasion. I stayed the course in each field as long as it suited me, enjoyed the work, and did just fine. (I've also worked in traditionally female jobs.)

When you blame DEI hiring for problems, you have a valid point. But when you start insinuating that people other than white men are inherently inferior, even passively, you lose credibility. It'd be nice to see you promote competency without swinging that pendulum too far in the other direction and deriding women or other "minorities" as less than simply by virtue of being not straight white males. Straight white men do not have a monopoly on intelligence or competence.

Jerome V's avatar

Thank you for your story. I generally agree. One ought to be able to earn a position regardless of what group one comes from. Women included. Jason argues that women *are* elevated in the military, since the Clinton days and earlier. Qualified White men are denied positions and promotions because they are White men, because the antiwhite immoral imperative says this is the moral thing to do. You've seen none of this?

Donna's avatar

I've not seen any of it personally, but then I am no longer in the workforce. I have read several recent accounts of qualified white men being either not hired or let go so that DEI hires with lower qualifications can take those positions, which I absolutely agree is wrong. But we need to remember that "equal opportunity" and DEI and racial quotas and women's liberation and "affirmative action" did not come inexplicably out of a vacuum. They came about as an over-reaction to long-term "elevation" of less qualified white men to positions or promotions that were denied to more qualified non-white-men simply because they were not white men (and/or not straight,) which was also absolutely wrong.

I'd never heard of Jason before, but after watching part of his video you shared, I left with the impression of him as one of those guys who sits around with his buddies in private, sniggering at dumb blonde jokes or fag or n-word jokes to feel better about themselves. He's passionate and well-spoken, and my first impression may be off-base, but IMO he swings the pendulum back too far, appearing to presume that any women in positions of authority could only be there because they were elevated above their competence level as well as over more qualified white men. (I have no doubt that some were, that pesky pendulum swing again, but I don't accept that all women can only acquire traditionally male roles by artificial elevation.)

My point is we need to stop the pendulum in the middle, no discrimination against minorities or propitiation by majorities, just competence-based hiring and promotion combined with live-and-let-live interactions outside work. No need for special initiatives because no group is mistreated. No automatic assumptions about anyone based on race, gender, or any of the rest, but discernment based on evidence, individually applied. We're apparently doomed to repeat history we don't learn from, so why not try to learn from failed seeking of revenge or reparations, as well as failed superiority complex thinking and identity politics used to pigeon-hole people who are never given the chance to be recognized as the individuals they are?

Jerome V's avatar

Thank you. I feel I know Jason well. He's written several books, including one called Crucible about his awakening, at age 11, to the reality of systemic antiwhiteism. I think he might say that it has not been a pendulum, but rather a ratchet, for generations now. That we allowed an antiwhite narrative and moral imperative to be programmed into our subconscious by education, news and entertainment over generations. This antiwhite immoral imperative says White men are always to blame, for everything, and that consequently whatever they've earned is undeserved and they deserve be discriminated against at every opportunity. Ugh!

I would much prefer the sort of pure competence based hierarchy you describe than the sort of in-group, identity politics, and "biological Leninism" ways we've increasingly been choosing who gets what positions in our society. I'd be fine with it. I think Jason would be fine with it.

Lisa's avatar

What a load of drivel

Jerome V's avatar

Ah, you don't see it or can't get it.

Lisa's avatar

White men are the most privileged people in society!

Bob's avatar

Note to self: THE PENDULUM ALWAYS SWINGS TOO FAR. We dont study history as a nation so this fact catches us off-guard. It will never stop in the middle. If it does, the clock is dead.

Donna's avatar

Pendula are not only for clocks, my friend. Maybe consider this a machine of divisiveness, which deserves to be stopped dead.

Jerome V's avatar

Good point. We have a problem with a Predatory (Psychopathic?) Pseudo-Elite. They weaponize everything. Including pendula. The problem is that we allow them to weaponize. While we can't change the fundamental nature of things like pendula, we can become aware of the existence of Persistent Predatory Personalities (PPPs) among us. https://ponerology.substack.com/p/the-intraspecies-predator

Donna's avatar

Thank you for this link, and for my new word of the day: ponerology, the study of evil. This is good information that I hope many people take to heart!

c Anderson's avatar

That sounds very good till you get to the part where you talk about dumb blond jokes and stereotyping Jason as to thinking women are dumb. Women are differently talented and just because you think you can compensate as a women for lack of the physical attributes does not mean you are smarter. It only means you met a certain standard. The fact is that fire and police departments have lowered physical standards for years to bring in women. Another aspect of this is that socialism was meant to prevent the swinging of a pendulum and look at the damage it created. I see that you only understand meritocracy to a certain point when you say stop the pendulum.

B. E. Gordon's avatar

“They came about as an over-reaction to long-term "elevation" of less qualified white men to positions or promotions that were denied to more qualified non-white-men simply because they were not white men (and/or not straight,) which was also absolutely wrong.”

Meanwhile, in the real world, this has never happened, except in the tall tales of the wokists which have been debunked repeatedly.

Donna's avatar

Many things claimed to have been "debunked" have merely been loudly and repeatedly "denied."

B. E. Gordon's avatar

Well, this isn’t one of them. Unless you want to go the route of “argument by rare anecdote”.

ashwood's avatar

Amen to stopping the pendulum in the middle.

c Anderson's avatar

Then the clock ceases to work.

BornAlive's avatar

totally digging this conversation🙌🏽🙌🏽🤎🙇🏽‍♀️

Plato's Rabbit Cave's avatar

" She was simply not competent to fly. There are many incompetent straight white males around too, so don't make it sound like she shouldn't have been flying because she was female or queer."

I agree with much of what you said. But here are my thoughts FWIW...

Men naturally form a hierarchy of competence, tearing down those among them who put 'feelings over facts'. Women are much more inclined to support each other (at least on the surface) which means women are more inclined towards a 'feelings over facts' attitude.

So while you are correct that it is wrong to insinuate ALL women are equally incompetent simply for being women, it is also true that disparaging women in this way is true 'gender equality'.

Because that's what men face - both from women and from other men. We have no problem with reminding men how stupid and idiotic they are (pig headed, reckless, overbearing, insensitive etc). This is doing men a favour because it keeps them in check.

What we've lost since feminism took over society is the ability to keep women in check in the same way, by reminding women of their uniquely feminine foibles, flaws, weaknesses and blind spots (feelings over facts, vanity, narcissism, victim mentality, unwillingness to take responsibility etc).

But beyond all the gender politics is a far more fundamental truth ..... society does not NEED women helicopter pilots. But society DOES need women to fly the family home competently and raise the next generation - not just because children REQUIRE 'full time parenting' (previous called 'parenting') but also to keep them out of the clutches of the state and their army of progressive, radfem, gender queer, communist ideologues in schools and 'daycare'.

If men walked away from the power stations, coal mines, ports, construction projects, infrastructure maintenance work etc so they could live more 'fulfilling' lives doing something else we'd tell them to cut it out and get back on the job.

And EQUALLY important job which needs doing is creating a stable and loving family home for kids to grow up in, with proper nutritious home cooked meals, a safe and loving environment with a functional and loving husband/ wife relationship (a template for the children to learn how to have relationships with the opposite sex).

'Somebody' has to do this job, just as 'somebody' has to keep the electrical grid running. In fact we can survive perfectly well without electricity, but not without a stable, functional home and proper upbringing.

Now obviously, we don't all have to stick to rigid gender roles all the time. Technology has allowed us to be far more flexible..... but not THAT flexible. Not a complete free for all.

When children are raised in a stable two parent, loving, family home with proper meals and no state interference and no abandonment during the day (AKA 'daycare').... when that becomes the DEFAULT situation for most children (granted life is messy and it doesn't always work out perfect)... but when that becomes the default, then we can try and fit in helicoptering around it.

I think you have every right to blame white men for the mess of progressive/ feminist society. They should not have allowed this to happen. They should not have let women leave their unique and valuable (vital in fact!) female gender role and start meddling in men's spaces and appropriating men's unique and valuable gender roles for 'personal fulfilment' and 'empowerment' (minus any accountability when it all goes wrong).

It's all men's fault. Fine.

That is what you are arguing. You are arguing that men should take charge and run wider society. It's a sound argument. But you need to make that argument to the feminists and the feminist enablers. They are the ones with all the power. The power to define our culture and attitudes . They are the ones indoctrinating the children, running the media and making all the Hollywood movies full of 'empowered women'.

Women must give men permission to run society - to use their uniquely masculine powers to maintain the hierarchy of competence, to place facts above feelings, and to keep society functional, and therefore a safe place for women and children to inhabit.

Of course the nuance is that if women must give men permission to run wider society, who really has the social power? It's a yin / yang thing. This is the part feminism refuses to acknowledge. Female power is a fundamentally different beast to male power.

The bottom line is if a meteorite struck earth tomorrow we'd HAVE to revert back to strict traditional (ie biologically based) gendered roles just to survive. But I would argue that we have been struck by a meteorite - an ideological meteorite called 'feminism' which crashed into our culture 150 years ago.

We must return to traditional gender roles AT LEAST until the family home and proper parenting has been restored so that we re not fucking up each generation (as we are currently under feminism/ progressivism). After that, we can bend the rules (subvert gender roles) as much as technology allows, but not so much that we end up back here again. This current woke society is simply not sustainable.

Even at the height of traditionalism we always had outliers (female aviation pioneers, male florists etc). Outliers are fine (and probably necessary). It's the systemic dismantling of gender across all of culture that is the problem.

Jerome V's avatar

Best explanation yet! Re-stacked and subscribed.

Sandy Fenton's avatar

100% agree, best explanation yet. I’m a 10 yrs retired female engineer - people could never understand why I was not a “feminist.” I was once “awarded” a ticket to Governor Arnold Schwartzeneger’s annual “Women’s Conference” for outstanding performance (men were awarded stock options) and became a pariah after I refused to attend. Women can have brains, but we definitely do not have the brawn, grit, or aggressiveness for some careers. Returning to merit and not lowering standards can fix this, hopefully without going overboard and keeping intelligent women out of careers for which they have the aptitude and can compete with men. We *must*, however, be able to call them out on weaknesses just like men. Same for racial, I also saw non-white dolts who got passed from program to program as placeholders. This made it much harder for the few absolutely brilliant black engineers. Wokeness is a cancer.

BornAlive's avatar

divorce has not helped in that far too many men are being raised by overwhelmed resentful single women. that emotional incest piece is one of the most untalked about issues surrounding the rise of soy boy culture or its opposite,so called ‘toxic masculinity.’ feels to me that both sides of the coin represent the lack of cohesive stable parenting and the slow creep of the nanny/daddy state ie advertising/ corporations as parental figure.

Jerome V's avatar

Agree, divorce and single mother parenting are a huge net negative for our society. Not to mention the impact of rotating "boyfriends", etc. One of the great comments here spoke to how when women neglect their primary duty, to raise children properly in a stable family, this damages our whole culture - everyone.

I once knew a sleazy divorce lawyer who may have believed he was "winning", but I think even he lost when the real costs are weighed.

Angelina's avatar

Why it is "women neglect their primary duty, to raise children properly in a stable family," - are you absolving men from the above?

Jerome V's avatar

No, I am not absolving men from their proper role(s) in "to raise children properly in a stable family". Both sexes have primary duties in regard to that essential mission.

Do you disagree that women, by their nature, are generally more gifted with the faculties necessary to best deal with infants and children?

Do you disagree that men, by their nature, are generally more gifted with the faculties necessary to deal with the outside world?

Angelina's avatar

No, I don't disagree with it, and I pulled my lion share of my son's raising. I simply pointed out how easy the society/men discard their own role in pulling own weight in child-raising. It's always "the mother" lol

Donna's avatar

Guess I should have made it clear that my first paragraph was meant totally tongue-in-cheek, offering a way to blame white men because Jerome issued the challenge. I edited it to add (/s) for "sarcasm font." I do not blame white men for everything, and absolutely do not advocate for men to take charge and run the world! That would be as oppressive to me as it would be for a competent, independent man to live under the thumb of a dictator.

You make a valid point about family life, however not all women have children, and most who do are not raising them their entire adult lives. My mother fulfilled the traditional nurturer role, home cooked meals and the whole ball of wax; she also worked competently outside the home once we kids were in school. She was a wonderful role model of a responsible, capable, caring woman -- I learned to cook and sew and keep a clean home, to be kind to animals and look out for children smaller and weaker than myself, also that I could learn how to do anything if I applied myself, and have a career if I chose that path.

In our (retired couple) home, we've had the discussion of roles if "a meteorite struck earth tomorrow," and we would not revert completely to traditional gender roles, for several good reasons. However couples with young children would not have much choice but to do so, as you say. There would be soooo many more homemaking duties without technology!

As far as emotion vs. logic, I've always been one to make decisions based on logical thinking and reason over feelings, even as a young child. So I guess I am one of your outliers, and I appreciate your acknowledgement of our right to exist without being forced to conform.

Love your yin/yang analogy. Now I'm going to have to check out your substack!

CARLOS 10019's avatar

The Donna post is anonymous w vague, unverifiable claims. What job did Donna have that she claims she performed better than male peers intellectually and almost as well physically? Tell us, or else the comment is a useless anecdote that doesn't go to the substance of the original post or video.

The vid was too long and too passionate for my taste. However, good point that the last 15-30 seconds before impact in the crash footage show BLAZING airplane landing lights. The lights do seem impossible to miss especially w night vision that would amplify to blinding level. This makes intentional suicide a strong possibility to consider.

Scrubbing the female pilots social media should not be blamed on Trump forces. Hegseth was only days on the job and the military is still filled w woke Biden supporters. The military may have allowed the family time to hide evidence.

Bottom line: Trump needs to act DECISIVELY to punish the culprits and reform the systems, military, ATC, FAA, etc.

Jerome V's avatar

Good points. Though I am willing to extend Donna slack despite the hand-waving. Female communication style.

Donna's avatar

Seriously, hand-waving? Pthfftpthft. I got your female communication style, LOL! ;)

(See above that I added /s to my first paragraph. I was not serious about blaming white men, and incorrectly assumed that that statement would be taken in the humorous way that I meant it...)

Donna's avatar

I was not a pilot, if that helps. I don't like to post too-specific details of my personal life online, so I guess my post will just have to remain a "useless anecdote."

Definitely agree with your bottom line, though.

Catharina Noest's avatar

This needed to be said. We don’t know yet what happened exactly. Well done!

Matthew Ostiguy's avatar

You are triggered Donna. Reread the post. He is blaming DEI, not woman. DEI was created as an anti-white male Marxist social engineering tool. He is right to say it. In this country, white males were the majority of the workforce and military and yet there was a clear mandate to skip over them and suppress them in favor of anyone but them.

Yet being against DEI doesn't make one pro white either. Nor does it make one anti-female.

Being Anti-DEI is being pro merit based competency. If DEI is eliminated, it would immediately result in more white males hired, promoted and in highly sought difficult positions simply by mathematical probability. Races and genders all being equal would mean more white males to the top because there are more of them.

Stop kidding yourself about DEI. It was never pro- women or pro minority, it was always anti-white male. It was a tool of destruction, not building. DEI ruined it for all women because now no one will know which ones made it on merit or favoritism.

This pilot shouldn't have been put in the situation she was. That's more on leadership than her. She was a white house darling getting special treatment because they liked the optics. With the previous administration desire for social engineering, she was put in a job she wasn't qualified for. That doesn't mean she couldn't do it. It means she couldn't do it YET. If she wasn't being favored, she would have been somewhere else getting more hours in safer training routes and locations. Im sure there was a well qualified white male that was skipped over for her to be there. That's DEI.

Jerome V's avatar

On the other hand: "All this would be a magnificent distraction from remote control takeover of the helicopter. Which crash was captured by two different cellphones which happened to be recording at night"

- comment seen on another forum. Reminds me be careful taking stories at face value.

Boflys's avatar

I’m a retired army Blackhawk pilot. The army keeps pretty obsessive records in aviation. Her total time and recency are certainly recorded. I’ve flown with some great female pilots. The only thing this has to do with female is if a competent male was passed up in her place. DEI is probably more a factor in the FAA ATC issue. But DEI is certainly not making the military any more lethal.

Jerome V's avatar

I read reports that competent white males discriminated against whenever possible.

letterwriter's avatar

The shift in status hierarchies, the mental hierarchy that everyone has to keep in mind for, eg hallway conversations, criticism of mediocre work, "can you give me a reference" conversations, project green lighting, and the like--this replaces status based on simple effectiveness and that does negatively affect competency, as well as morale. It doesn't just affect hiring and then that's an end of it.

Boflys's avatar

Spot on! It’s deeper, way fucking deeper than just individual accounts of incompetence. DEI destroys culture and entire systems. That exactly why they’re trying to do it.

letterwriter's avatar

In my view it rose concurrently with millennial angst about their employment prospects. It's a novel tactic for obtaining job security, amongst a cohort that is pretty well under-educated and de-skilled, even though grade inflation and credentialism has been on the rise--masters degrees where bachelors degrees were common before, and etc.

Deskilling has been a problem in higher ed since oh at least the 90s, so therefore probably since at least some point in the 80s. It produces deep insecurity in graduates of such programs, because they find themselves without necessary knowledge once they get to the workplace. The millennials were of course competing with gen x and boomers who weren't as badly de-skilled. And so I think DEI was born.

Jerome V's avatar

Nice hypothesis. No doubt a factor. Many climbed aboard with such motivations. But these are bandwagon effects. The antiwhite narrative and its immoral imperative were the primary enablers.

letterwriter's avatar

* Well and I will clarify/add to what I said: if students weren't required to take courses that contained exactly that sort of critical race theory in the study material, they did have to take courses that included new ways of defining & constructing epistemology, instead of concepts like critical thinking, rational analysis, and so on. So students lost the ability to criticize this sort of critical race theory against ideas such as civil and human rights and the logic of their application, which has the outcome of putting critics on mute.

Some who might happen across this comment may feel the urge, I predict, to say that this didn't happen but I have seen it directly, in the 20-teens, in academia, and I also have the 90s and 00s as points of comparison, and I would be happy to have a robust discussion about all of this as one of the contributing factors.

Boflys's avatar

I can understand that in maybe government. But why would bizilionaire hedge funds want shit people to work at businesses that want to succeed? Why would black rock promote DEi?

letterwriter's avatar

You are right, sad to say. The critical race theory work has a much longer history than what I mentioned. It just didn't have critical mass and wasn't taken up widely until the millennials were of an age to be entering the workforce.

Changes in university curricula no doubt also play a factor, with many schools mandating that every student had to take one or more courses from a set of courses that included this sort of polemic in the course material.

Steve Brule's avatar

“But DEI is certainly not making the military any more lethal.”

Yes it is, but your loyalty to military command is duly noted.

DEI is making everything it touches more lethal: firefighting, politics, business, police work, the navy, transportation. Nothing escapes the poison of DEI.

Matthew Ostiguy's avatar

Do people want to see a clear example of how much our society and military wants to favor and promote women?

My son prior to Covid mandates was in the Marine boot camp. There was 4 females. They were kept separated mostly. Put in the back of the slowest platoon and he hardly ever saw them. When the guys were left in the field for a week , the ladies were allowed back at night to warm up and shower, (for hygiene reasons?) then return sometime later.

When it was time to pick a squad leader it is done from the PFT scores. She won squad leader out of 200 guys.

How? Lower standards for women. She scored a perfect 300. He scored 297

Males must do 6 pullups minimum. Women 1.

He did 23. She did 8.

She ran 3 miles in 22 minutes. Max points given her because she beat 23 minutes.

He ran his 3 miles in 17 minutes.

In a weapons maneuver she did it in 2'50" he did it in 2'12"

She gets the promotion, bump in pay and the honor yet she could never keep up with those she beat because she didn't.

That false narrative only weakens. It didn't strengthen anything. False confidence is dangerous. It can cause you to fly into a passenger jet.

Jerome V's avatar

Thank you! Great to read a real-life example.

BTW, it will read even better if you find time to correct three small typos: 'My sin' > 'My son', 'inly' > 'only', and 'passenger jer' > 'passenger jet'. You can edit your post on the web version of Substack. Maybe not with the app on a phone?

Matthew Ostiguy's avatar

I'll try. I should wear glasses. Lol

Matthew Ostiguy's avatar

If one doesn't stop and think about the drastic difference in standards for a female to become a marine vs a male they miss the drastic effects such differences make over a career. They'll miss the effects on the whole and on the future of the whole.

An exceptional woman in ideal conditions might pass the men's physical fitness standard. The majority won't. Hence the creation of a different standard.But the Marines are not about typing speed and responding to emails. This is a fighting force. It's unto death being the consequence.

The Marines are in the business of zero sum gain. Its win or die.

If a women is 5 minutes slower during her run while in sneakers and no gear, how slow will she be with a rucksack, boots, rifle and gear? In all the fitness and tactical studies the Marines did trying to find how to integrate women, there was never a woman that carried her teammate during any evolution.

So wokeness forces on the men a teammate they might have to carry but won't carry them. Our son's deserve better. You can research the Marines study. Not once in all the evolutions, was having even a single woman mixed in, an assest. She always resulted in reduced scores for the team.

If in a race to get to a helicopter LZ in a hostile territory, the unit will slow to it's slowest member. They won't leave anyone behind. Yet arriving late will get everyone killed, even those on the helicopter are at risk.

In weapons maneuvers, being slower isn't, "well, Im 70% as good as a man. So girl power."

No. Your dead. There's no second place trophy. Only a dead body.

If the woman is young and fit and passes. Does she stay young and fit? Women tend to have short shelf life on peak physical fitness. They also cost the taxpayers more per soldier than men.

When its time to deploy women tend to get pregnant and don't go. The taxpayers pay for all the extra expenses that goes with that. The difference in housing and the needs of childcare. I as a taxpayer, want a soldier for my tax dollars. Not a mommy.

Jerome V's avatar

All good points. Thank you.

This notion that "anything a man can do, a woman can do as well or better" was always fantasy. It has become a foundational religious belief.

A deadly belief, one that kills.

WhiteOwl's avatar

Well said!

I fully agree with you that "False Confidence is Dangerous."

One can thank the Generals, Admirals the COLs who agreed to instill and advocate for this DEI BS.

Jerome V's avatar

One can thank them, indeed. I hear that all those high ranks are "political", staffed with those who play the political game. Not actual soldiers?

MJNAVET's avatar

I’m wondering who in that Blackhawk squadron thought that a “continuity of Government training flight” in close proximity to Reagan National with an “instructor” who had barely 2x (1000 hrs) the flight hours as the supposed student/trainee/pilot (500 hrs) who hadn’t flown so much as a model airplane in over two years (if the media is correct in their initial reporting) was a great idea? What is that individual’s name, rank, position? The entire unit needs to be investigated. In case anyone is wondering- I’m a Navy air veteran. The whole thing smells like lutefisk at a Lutheran church dinner in rural Minnesota.

Dix Gary's avatar

Whether or not she was the pilot or copilot; is not the point. The previous comment raised the same questions: the video shows them flying too high and not deviating course at all. Either there was an instrument failure or all three aboard were distracted. DEI or not; I imagine nobody aboard the copter wanted to die and kill others.

Dix Gary's avatar

Too many “ assumptions “ for me. Let’s see what the investigation reveals.

Philip's avatar

Are we sure she was a she? She looked EASILY like a born male tranny. Now, although that too doesn't make you a bad pilot, it could make you a "mentally ill suicide and hurt society" pilot.

I HATE discussing all the imaginary gender stuff. It's a teaspoon in an ocean of problems, it's just SO ridiculous, it gets press. (Unless it's done - gender reassignment - to the children which is another matter)

But there would DEFINITELY be a coverup of a crashing tranny pilot. Simply so no criticism could be hurled.

In the picture's I saw I saw a boy (young man) pretending to be a girl. (girl hair and smile, but arms much too long)

Look, I'm a very serious Christian. I want to love my neighbor and spread the gospel to the whole world. It is just very tiring and RIDICULOUS, if this is either a gender or tranny problem, that we have to be here discussing this imaginary stuff.

And our women, both straight and not, are starting to see how this stuff is only bad for them.

Fredo's avatar

And this particular unit is where the most skilled are supposed to be placed. A unit assignment sought after. Pretty clear she was placed there due to her political connections because it would be difficult to justify after having not flown for years.

Another Substack author of COVID fame, Alex Berenson, recently posted an email he received from a veteran pilot who had analyzed the public information thus far. And this was before the pilot’s history was uncovered. You should read it because he nails it. In short he saw the flight path and some erratic maneuvering and stated that would be due to “unfamiliarity or incompetence.” To be clear, they were outside the specific flight corridor as well as flying at the incorrect altitude.

He then wonders why the trainer didn’t take the flight over due to the erratic flight patterns and venturing above altitude, especially as close to the airport as they were. He suggested something that would ring true after we hear that this female was a Biden staffer and politically connected. I’d say highly politically connected. The vet pilot assumes that the trainer may have balked at overt correction due to a rank issue. Like maybe the pilot was a highly ranked individual in the army and was given some leeway by the trainer to offset any retribution (because that shit does happen even if it’s just the ass pain of justifying the safety action of taking the flight over).

So then we discover she’s politically connected which explains two things - how she was able to squeeze into this very selective unit after not flying for two years and, why the trainer didn’t intervene. Imagine in the Biden era a male trainer taking the stick away from the female pilot because she was unsafe? Imagine the pushback in this particular case.

It all makes sense now.

Fredo's avatar

Probably warnings like, “you’re flying too high, we need to come down” or some other gentle altitude warning. Remember, you can’t be stern in the DEI world. It’s mean.

I would also assume that the trainer did warn about the flight corridor because there are at least two 90 degree turns during flight according to Berensons source. Those turns being called clear actions of someone “unfamiliar” with the aircraft or “incompetence.”

Jerome V's avatar

Explains all the data points we have so far. I'd love to hear the cockpit audio - did the men say anything?

Kathy Christian's avatar

I read that Blackhawk helicopters don't record cockpit conversations.

Jerome V's avatar

Oh well. Would possibly have helped sort out what happened in this case.

Loic's avatar

“Surely we can find a way to blame this on White men?”

Surely, it was probably guilt-stricken white men who let it get there!

Lynn's avatar

I read where the female pilot was still working for JOE in the White House until Jan. 20. She was a social aid. Whatever that means. That was too soon for her to take the controls of a helicopter on this kind of mission. How did the men go along with it?

Jerome V's avatar

That's what I hear as well. Do you think they'd have given a 500 hour male pilot control of a helicopter in such a situation? I don't. Dd she have "super girl power" privilege?

The men go along with it because they are broken to go along with the narrative.

Lynn's avatar

That's exactly what I said t myself. How did those 2 men go along with her flying

that helicopter? Why was her social media scrubbed? What's wrong with being

a DEI Lesbian that worked for JOE in the White House until Jan. 20? Because, she

didn't have enough flying time. Oh, you know that because, she was DEI

that qualified her to start flying immediately even though she was rough

around the edges. She was a social aide to JOE giving dignitaries tours of

the White House. An accident waiting to happen.

Judy Jones's avatar

Of course women are excellent pilots. But the DEI situation is wrong! She was incompetent.

Jerome V's avatar

And it is immoral to have women piloting combat aircraft during their fertile years, as long as there are competent men available.

Armani's avatar

If her parents and the military service were proud of her accomplishments, why hide her name and erase her social media?

Jerome V's avatar

Good questions! I can only speculate. I imagine that her social media revealed she was far more interested in deviant sexual orientation than she was in doing anything constructive, and that her family or political handlers did not want the mass killing she's alleged to have caused associated with her deviant sexual interests, for fear that this would damage their "turn everyone gay and/or sterile" agenda.

But I'm only speculating.

Bonnie Liversidge's avatar

They used her to be the patsy..the one at the stick, though evident she wasn't in control of the copter..Flying 175' too high, slamming into a plane at high speed, no one is that incompetent with 450 hours of many multiple take offs and landings...no connection with tower..etc. IF the BlackH. was even 'manned'? looks like it may have been remotely controlled.

Jerome V's avatar

It may have been remotely controlled, but according to this more recent report https://tllc.com/go/94SjPVCXJh26Y , other pilots who've seen the way the helicopter was going up and down repeatedly before the crash say that this is a sign of an bad control by an incapable pilot. The woman did apparently have political pull that enabled her to be elevated to positions, and was allegedly seeking to set some kind of record for rapid accomplishment as a female. That's what I'm hearing, anyway. I hope we somehow learn the truth.

Bonnie Liversidge's avatar

Today they said all the bodies were recovered including the three on the helicopter.

Bossa Nogi's avatar

The Suicidal Empathy of Western Civilization strikes again

Jerome V's avatar

Our empathy was weaponized against us.